obvious background noise occurs when playing DSD file using ASIO(Creative)

[storaid]

Hi, Tiki

I recently received a DAC the Creative SoundBlaster G6

and I notice it does support DoP 64/128..

although I know the driver quality is not good for Creative..

no matter what, I  did some testing

WASAPI mode: ok, it’s working

ASIO mode: weird background noise

 

also, I have tested the foobar2000..

well, it’s working in ASIO mode..

I’m not sure if it’s a driver issue?

[Tiki]

I am sorry, but I do not know the cause.

You know, TuneBrowser ASIO playback is working well with many devices.

Are there others in a similar situation? > ALL

[storaid]

hello, Tiki

Are there others in a similar situation? >

NO

I’ve tested some higher-end DACs

definitely they all good working…

 

with Creative ASIO driver, background noise issue only occurs in playing DSD

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foobar2000 log:

new service_impl_t<autoproxy_output_v5>(device = “ASIO : Creative Sound Blaster ASIO”, buffer_length = 1.000s, dither = false, bitdepth = 16)
autoproxy_output_v3::get_forced_sample_rate() => 0
autoproxy_output_v5::get_forced_channel_mask() => 0x00000000
autoproxy_output_v3::get_injected_dsps() => 0
autoproxy_output_v2::enable_fading(true)
autoproxy_output::volume_set(0.000)
autoproxy_output::volume_adjust(samplerate = 0, latency = 0.000, volume = 0.000)
autoproxy_output::check_dsd_stream(true) => DSD stream contains 0 chunks and 0 samples
autoproxy_output::pause(false)
autoproxy_output_v3::get_forced_sample_rate() => 0
Opening track for playback: “\\nas1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff” / index: 1
autoproxy_output::check_dsd_stream(true) => DSD stream contains 3 chunks and 14112 samples
autoproxy_output::process_samples() => Switch to DSD playback
autoproxy_output::process_samples() => Input stream [channels: 2, samplerate: 2822400, channel_config: 0x00000003]
autoproxy_output::process_samples() => Output stream [channels: 2, samplerate: 2822400, channel_config: 0x00000003]
autoproxy_output::process_samples(channels = 2, sample_rate = 2822400, channel_config = 0x00000003)
autoproxy_output::volume_adjust(samplerate = 2822400, latency = 0.000, volume = 0.000)
autoproxy_output::check_dsd_stream(false) => DSD stream contains 4 chunks and 18816 samples]

it’s working well…

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[storaid]

I have contacted Creative Support with E-mail and waiting for reply..

due to driver quality with this company

however, I don’t expect they will give me a good solution…

[Tiki]

And also let’s wait for additional information from other users.

Can you paste playback info here during DSD playback?

Select “Playback” menu at the top of TuneBrowser, and select “Copy playback info”. Playback info will be copied into clipbaord. You can paste it here as ASCII text.

[storaid]

playback info:

Name:
– Creative Sound Blaster ASIO
– PlayStatus::Playing
SR+Bit:
– 2.822MHz | 1bit | 176.4kHz | 32/32bit
Spec:
– [ASIO ] | [DoP:L]
– [1768 ] | [—- ]
Switch:
– :BITP : | :RG : | :MAX : | :MONO : | :L<>R :
– :REP : | :RAND : | :RSMP : | :VST3 : | <RAM:X>
DSP:
– :EMPH : | :HDCD : | :DMIX :

???????

It seems that there is no special information…

 

[Tiki]

Thanks.

You are using DoP with ASIO driver. In many cases, ASIO does not require DoP (ASIO 2.1 native DSD mode is used instead of DoP). But some devices like OPPO is requiring DoP with ASiO driver.

I do not know what is correct for your Creative Sound Blaster ASIO. But I thought it’s worth a try to playback without DoP.

[storaid]

Hi, Tiki

an error message will be thrown after setting “Support DoP” as “false”

2023/08/11 18:28:54,624.207: T0890c: TL19: Playback starts from the top.
2023/08/11 18:28:54,624.218: T0890c: TL19: Post PlayerNotify: 7043 [PlaybackBegin]
2023/08/11 18:28:54,624.529: T0142c: TL19: Proc PlayerNotify: 7043 [PlaybackBegin]
2023/08/11 18:28:54,647.495: T0890c: TL19: Opening tune 0 [\\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff]
2023/08/11 18:28:54,647.931: T0890c: TL19: Calculating RAMDecode size…
2023/08/11 18:28:54,647.946: T0890c: TL19: MaxCache:2048 MB, MaxPhysMem:16014 MB – CurPhysMem:840 MB -> Limit:2048 MB (Contents: 1024 MB).
2023/08/11 18:28:54,680.873: T0890c: TL19: Total RAMDecode size 2290 MB exceeded limit 2048 MB.
2023/08/11 18:28:54,680.884: T0890c: TL19: RAMDecode mode goes to [Single]
2023/08/11 18:28:54,680.889: T0890c: TL19: RAMDecode mode switched from [Single] to [None] because of DSD.
2023/08/11 18:28:54,680.900: T0890c: TL19: Post PlayerNotify: 7044 [SpecUpdate]
2023/08/11 18:28:54,681.100: T0890c: TL19: Creating decoder for file [\\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff]
2023/08/11 18:28:54,681.108: T0890c: TL19: Device and PCM converter are not supporting DSD.
2023/08/11 18:28:54,681.112: T0890c: TL19: File: \\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff
2023/08/11 18:28:54,681.121: T0890c: TL19: Error: Creating decoder failed for file [\\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff]
2023/08/11 18:28:54,681.162: T0890c: TL19: Error: Decoder failed.
2023/08/11 18:28:54,681.212: T0890c: TL19: Post PlayerNotify: 7045 [SpecUpdate]
2023/08/11 18:28:54,683.945: T0890c: TL19: Error: Cannot decode file: \\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff
Message: Cannot decode file: \\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff
Version: 1696

Log View:

2023/08/11 18:31:39,428: UL03266: T0890c: TL19: Opening tune 0 [\\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff]
2023/08/11 18:31:39,429: UL03267: T0890c: TL19: RAMDecode mode stays on [None]
2023/08/11 18:31:39,429: UL03268: T0890c: TL19: Creating decoder for file [\\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff]
2023/08/11 18:31:39,429: UL03269: T0890c: TL19: Device and PCM converter are not supporting DSD.
2023/08/11 18:31:39,429: UL03270: T0890c: TL19: File: \\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff
2023/08/11 18:31:39,429: UL03271: T0890c: TL19: Error: Creating decoder failed for file [\\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff]
2023/08/11 18:31:39,429: UL03272: T0890c: TL19: Error: Decoder failed.
2023/08/11 18:31:39,429: UL03273: T0890c: TL19: Post PlayerNotify: 7049 [SpecUpdate]
2023/08/11 18:31:39,433: UL03274: T0890c: TL19: Error: Cannot decode file: \\NAS1\music\[Hi-Res]うたわれるもの 偽りの仮面 & 二人の白皇 歌集\1. ヌエドリ.dff
2023/08/11 18:31:39,433: UL03276: T0890c: TL19: Post PlayerNotify: 7050 [PlaybackEnd]
2023/08/11 18:31:39,438: UL03277: T0142c: TL19: Proc PlayerNotify: 7049 [SpecUpdate]
2023/08/11 18:31:39,443: UL03278: T0142c: TL19: Proc PlayerNotify: 7050 [PlaybackEnd]

[storaid]

playback info:

Name:
– Creative Sound Blaster ASIO
– PlayStatus::Stop
SR+Bit:
– 2.822MHz | 1bit | 176.4kHz | 32/32bit
Spec:
– [ASIO ] | [INT:L]
– [1768 ] | [—- ]
Switch:
– :BITP : | :RG : | :MAX : | :MONO : | :L<>R :
– :REP : | :RAND : | :RSMP : | :VST3 : | [RAM:X]
DSP:
– :EMPH : | :HDCD : | :DMIX :

[Tiki]

Thanks. I was wrong.

[storaid]

After a very long time..

Here is the response with Creative support:

Thank you for your patience with us.

Regarding your inquiry, we have tested TuneBrowser 3.5.2 without any issues. Hence, it could be due to compatibility.

I don’t know how did they get that very old version…

[Tiki]

Thanks for letting me know how things went after.

[storaid]

Hello, Tiki

that’s my idea…

Can you compile newer versions of the libdsdpcm and libdstdec components?

I want to try if Creative ASIO can play DSD format files normally…

[Tiki]

I’m sorry, but I can’t do that for this purpose.

[Tiki]

I think you should ask to Creative to use newer version of the TuneBrowser. You know, it is free for testing purpose.

[storaid]

After a long wait, I was informed by Creative Support that they still believe this is a compatibility issue with TuneBrowser.
If their Creative ASIO driver only plays DSD files, there will be background noise only.
It is likely that most player software, including Foobar2000, will encounter this issue.
It is unlikely that only TuneBrowser software will have this problem.
Creative Support advised me to report this to the developers of TuneBrowser.
At least one Foobar2000 can play DSD format music without any issues using SACD f2k component.

Foobar2k output console when playing DSD64:

autoproxy_output::check_dsd_stream(true) => DSD stream contains 3 chunks and 14112 samples
autoproxy_output::process_samples() => Switch to DSD playback
autoproxy_output::process_samples() => Input stream [channels: 2, samplerate: 2822400, channel_config: 0x00000003]
autoproxy_output::process_samples() => Output stream [channels: 2, samplerate: 2822400, channel_config: 0x00000003]
autoproxy_output::process_output(transition = 0.000)
autoproxy_output::process_samples(channels = 2, sample_rate = 2822400, channel_config = 0x00000003)
autoproxy_output::volume_adjust(samplerate = 2822400, latency = 0.000, volume = 0.000)
autoproxy_output::check_dsd_stream(false) => DSD stream contains 4 chunks and 18816 samples

TuneBrowser log:

2023/09/29 12:27:23,458: UL01458: T06a58: TL18: --- Preparing device for DoP / 176400 Hz / 24 bit : [Creative Sound Blaster ASIO]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,458: UL01459: T06a58: TL18: Auto resampler: [If device does not support sample rate]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,458: UL01460: T06a58: TL18: SR Table: 176400
2023/09/29 12:27:23,458: UL01461: T06a58: TL18: --- Try 1/1: Preparing device by [PCM] 176400 Hz.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,458: UL01462: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Call : [Confirm] Param:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,458: UL01463: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Done : [Confirm] Result:1 Wait:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,458: UL01464: T06a58: TL18: Post PlayerNotify: 7008 [SpecUpdate]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,458: UL01465: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Call : [Prepare] Param:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01466: T088a4: TL18: Proc PlayerNotify: 7008 [SpecUpdate]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01467: T04e94: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Event: [PrepareBuffer] Param:565800
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01468: T04e94: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Done : [PrepareBuffer] Result:1
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01469: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,458.721: T054c8: TL01: Requesting IoFormat: PCM (Device has no IoFormat)
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01470: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,458.729: T054c8: TL01: Requested sample rate: 176400 Hz is same as device.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01471: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,458.739: T054c8: TL01: Device CH Output:8, Input:2
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01472: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,458.743: T054c8: TL01: Allocating ASIO buffer CH:8 Size:1768
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01473: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,458.747: T054c8: TL01: Calling ASIODriverCreateASIOBuffers_SEH_Wrapper
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01474: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.148: T054c8: TL01: ASIOMessage: 2:[kAsioEngineVersion ] Value:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01475: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.154: T054c8: TL01: ASIOMessage: 7:[kAsioSupportsTimeInfo ] Value:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01476: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.176: T054c8: TL01: Calling ASIODriverCreateASIOBuffers_SEH_Wrapper completed: 0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01477: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.178: T054c8: TL01: Allocating ASIO buffer OK.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01478: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.204: T054c8: TL01: Driver stage: [Initialized] -> [Prepared ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01479: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.211: T054c8: TL01: Safe wait time: 10 ms, Preferred: 10.023 ms, Buffer: 10.023 ms
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01480: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Done : [Prepare] Result:2 Wait:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01481: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Call : [Confirm] Param:1
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01482: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.950: T054c8: TL01: ASIO driver 0: [Creative Sound Blaster ASIO]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01483: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.953: T054c8: TL01: ASIO driver DSD support: DSDLevel::DoP (Keep current by user request)
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01484: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.956: T054c8: TL01: ASIO driver IoFormat: PCM only
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01485: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.957: T054c8: TL01: ASIO driver sample rate: 176400 Hz
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01486: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.960: T054c8: TL01: ASIO driver CH: Input:2 Output:8
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01487: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.963: T054c8: TL01: ASIO driver format: ASIOSTInt32LSB
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01488: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,459.964: T054c8: TL01: ASIO driver format: 4 bytes
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01489: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Done : [Confirm] Result:1 Wait:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01490: T06a58: TL18: Post PlayerNotify: 7009 [SpecUpdate]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,459: UL01491: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Call : [Confirm] Param:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,460: UL01492: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Done : [Confirm] Result:1 Wait:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,469: UL01493: T06a58: TL18: FFT SampleRate : 44100 Hz
2023/09/29 12:27:23,469: UL01494: T06a58: TL18: FFT SpectrumDelay: 0 samples (0 ms)
2023/09/29 12:27:23,469: UL01495: T06a58: TL18: FFT Timeline : 88200 samples
2023/09/29 12:27:23,469: UL01496: T06a58: TL18: Device word:32 bit, Device Data:32 bit, Tune word:24 bit, Buffer:1768 words
2023/09/29 12:27:23,469: UL01497: T06a58: TL18: Device tick:10.023 ms / 99.774 Hz
2023/09/29 12:27:23,469: UL01498: T06a58: TL18: PrepareDevice result: OK
2023/09/29 12:27:23,469: UL01499: T06a58: TL18: --- Try 1/1: Preparing device completed.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,469: UL01500: T06a58: TL18: Device sample rate is fixed: 176400 Hz.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,469: UL01501: T06a58: TL18: Post PlayerNotify: 7010 [SpecUpdate]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01503: T06a58: TL18: WaitControl: Seek wait: None.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01504: T06a58: TL18: Setting seek value to void.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01505: T06a58: Channel information:
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01506: T06a58: - Device channel: 0 [Default] Decoder channel: 0 [FrontL ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01507: T06a58: - Device channel: 1 [Default] Decoder channel: 1 [FrontR ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01508: T06a58: - Device channel: 2 [Default] Decoder channel: -1 [Void ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01509: T06a58: - Device channel: 3 [Default] Decoder channel: -1 [Void ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01510: T06a58: - Device channel: 4 [Default] Decoder channel: -1 [Void ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01511: T06a58: - Device channel: 5 [Default] Decoder channel: -1 [Void ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01512: T06a58: - Device channel: 6 [Default] Decoder channel: -1 [Void ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01513: T06a58: - Device channel: 7 [Default] Decoder channel: -1 [Void ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01514: T06a58: - Decoder FrontL: 0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01515: T06a58: - Decoder FrontR: 1
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01516: T06a58: - 2CH + Void Processing.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01517: T06a58: TL18: Post PlayerNotify: 0001 [Start]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01518: T06a58: TL18: Stage: [StartDevice]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,470: UL01519: T06a58: TL18: WaitControl: Before start wait: None.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,471: UL01522: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Call : [Start] Param:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,483: UL01523: T088a4: TL18: Proc PlayerNotify: 7009 [SpecUpdate]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,494: UL01524: T088a4: TL18: Proc PlayerNotify: 7010 [SpecUpdate]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,502: UL01525: T088a4: TL18: Proc PlayerNotify: 0001 [Start]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01526: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,471.445: T054c8: TL01: Buffer ahead: 4
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01527: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,502.234: T054c8: TL01: Starting ASIO driver: [Creative Sound Blaster ASIO]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01528: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,502.240: T054c8: TL01: Calling ASIODriverStart_SEH_Wrapper
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01529: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,512.677: T054c8: TL01: Transfer thread priority adjusted: 0 -> 2
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01530: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,512.728: T054c8: TL01: Calling ASIODriverStart_SEH_Wrapper completed: 0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01531: T06a58: TL18: Prx: 2023/09/29 12:27:23,512.732: T054c8: TL01: Driver stage: [Prepared ] -> [Running ]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01532: T06a58: TL18: ASIOProxyProcess: Done : [Start] Result:1 Wait:0
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01533: T06a58: TL18: WaitControl: After start silent: None.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01534: T06a58: TL18: Post PlayerNotify: 0001 [Started]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01535: T06a58: TL18: Fade in.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01536: T06a58: TL18: Clear fade control.
2023/09/29 12:27:23,512: UL01537: T06a58: TL18: Post PlayerNotify: 7011 [Update]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,527: UL01538: T088a4: TL18: Proc PlayerNotify: 0001 [Started]
2023/09/29 12:27:23,528: UL01540: T088a4: DecodeLine:
2023/09/29 12:27:23,529: UL01541: T088a4: Source: DSD 2822.4 kHz 2 ch 1 bit
2023/09/29 12:27:23,529: UL01542: T088a4: Decoded: DoP 176.4 kHz 2 ch 24 bit
2023/09/29 12:27:23,529: UL01543: T088a4: Device: DoP 176.4 kHz 8 ch 32 bit
2023/09/29 12:27:23,534: UL01544: T088a4: TL18: Proc PlayerNotify: 7011 [Update]

If I need further assistance from Creative Support, they would like me to do a recording when the problem occurred.

[Tiki]

Once I felt that it it strange that foobar2000 seems to be playing DSD native with samplerate 2822400, but your TuneBrowser seems to be playing by DoP format.

And even though I know my understanding is wrong, but I still don’t understand this situation. I’m sorry.

[storaid]

Hello, Tiki

Once I felt that it it strange that foobar2000 seems to be playing DSD native with samplerate 2822400, but your TuneBrowser seems to be playing by DoP format.

Maybe you are right in this Foobar2000 case.

I was told that trying another player MusicBee play DSD format file.

It does support DoP and Native by its ASIO configuration.

Native ASIO is not working for sure, but DoP it can get working well.
That’s why their Tech Support still believe this is a compatibility issue with TuneBrowser. Orz

 

[Tiki]

Last night, I tested again DoP playback via ASIO (Using OPPO), and I confirmed the TuneBrowser DoP processing is working normally.

I’m sorry again, this is all I can do for the ASIO DoP.

[storaid]

Hello Tiki

I am still in ongoing communication with Creative Support, but I must say that the efficiency of their Support is extremely poor and bureaucratically slow.

I have recorded an audio clip while playing a DSD format file. Under ASIO mode, there is only severe noise occurring.

[storaid]

recorded file:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvA1navurakAiKkwhIeV11gS7M-5kA?e=n81C9z

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